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		<title>By: ThayerAvenue.com &#187; ESSCA Meeting Tonight</title>
		<link>http://www.thayeravenue.com/2009/03/20/my-first-essca-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-23297</link>
		<dc:creator>ThayerAvenue.com &#187; ESSCA Meeting Tonight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] some decisions and endorse some policies that I don&#8217;t agree with (which I have outlined in plenty of previous [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.thayeravenue.com/2009/03/20/my-first-essca-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-22743</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 17:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So how many dues-paying members are in ESSCA anyway? And how would I go about contacting the ESSCA members if I wanted to run for a leadership position? In order to vote in the elections you have to have paid your dues for the year and receive one of those little blue cards. But where could I find a membership list, if such a list even exists (I have to assume someone has it and would bring it to the May meeting to verify that the people voting at the meeting are in good standing with ESSCA). 

Can anyone imaging trying to run for office in a local election but not being able to contact registered voters? Or registered Democrats (if you were running in, say, a Democratic primary)? I know that civic association politics are not exactly high politics but there really needs to be more transparency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how many dues-paying members are in ESSCA anyway? And how would I go about contacting the ESSCA members if I wanted to run for a leadership position? In order to vote in the elections you have to have paid your dues for the year and receive one of those little blue cards. But where could I find a membership list, if such a list even exists (I have to assume someone has it and would bring it to the May meeting to verify that the people voting at the meeting are in good standing with ESSCA). </p>
<p>Can anyone imaging trying to run for office in a local election but not being able to contact registered voters? Or registered Democrats (if you were running in, say, a Democratic primary)? I know that civic association politics are not exactly high politics but there really needs to be more transparency.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.thayeravenue.com/2009/03/20/my-first-essca-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-22648</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 22:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every organization, even ESSCA, needs to continue to grow and develope to be successful. Bob Colvin is a great guy, but he was first elected Prez of ESSCA the year I graduated from HS (1982). It is simply not right for one person to hold this important position for this long. When Bob finally relinquishes the position there will be a lack of organizational memory. There should be several past-presidents of ESSCA, not just one.

ESSCA leadersgip should look to the future - and encourage more community participation. It is the responsibility of the Board to ensure that ESSCA will continue to have new blood, and an experienced corps of leaders for the future.

I ran for ESSCA Prez in 2005, and lost to Bob by 23 votes. The meeting looked like a box of q-Tips. The voting took place before Bob and I squared-off for questions and comments. The election was a trangely-run thing. &quot;Vote for Bob&quot; posters on the registration table, people I had never seen before, and Bob used the ESSCA membership list to send out flyers ( I had no idea this was possible).I never really had a chance.

I have been to exactly one ESSCA meeting since then. The meetings are excruciating. I have to admit that you can get some good info at ESSCA meetings, but they could be so much more efficient and informative.

Once again, ESSCA really needs to make an effort to reach out to the community better. Why is there no Membership person?? I tried to volunteer after I lost, but I think the leaershp generally regards new members as a mixed-bag - better to run slim and maintain control.

Finally, over the years I have had occassion to talk and work with a number of MC Gov officials and elected leaders. While most of them respect ESSCA, many of them regrd ESSCA as an exclusive organization that does not neccassarily represent tthe community as a whole. Low membership numbers sometimes give ESSCA a credibility problem. I&#039;d go back more often if more people came and pushed for more progressive and welcoming organization. 

I know that a lot of other organizations have similar problems, but to say that ESSCA is pretty much like all the rest is just not right. ESSCA has fallen into a comfort level that keeps it from growing and better serving our community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every organization, even ESSCA, needs to continue to grow and develope to be successful. Bob Colvin is a great guy, but he was first elected Prez of ESSCA the year I graduated from HS (1982). It is simply not right for one person to hold this important position for this long. When Bob finally relinquishes the position there will be a lack of organizational memory. There should be several past-presidents of ESSCA, not just one.</p>
<p>ESSCA leadersgip should look to the future &#8211; and encourage more community participation. It is the responsibility of the Board to ensure that ESSCA will continue to have new blood, and an experienced corps of leaders for the future.</p>
<p>I ran for ESSCA Prez in 2005, and lost to Bob by 23 votes. The meeting looked like a box of q-Tips. The voting took place before Bob and I squared-off for questions and comments. The election was a trangely-run thing. &#8220;Vote for Bob&#8221; posters on the registration table, people I had never seen before, and Bob used the ESSCA membership list to send out flyers ( I had no idea this was possible).I never really had a chance.</p>
<p>I have been to exactly one ESSCA meeting since then. The meetings are excruciating. I have to admit that you can get some good info at ESSCA meetings, but they could be so much more efficient and informative.</p>
<p>Once again, ESSCA really needs to make an effort to reach out to the community better. Why is there no Membership person?? I tried to volunteer after I lost, but I think the leaershp generally regards new members as a mixed-bag &#8211; better to run slim and maintain control.</p>
<p>Finally, over the years I have had occassion to talk and work with a number of MC Gov officials and elected leaders. While most of them respect ESSCA, many of them regrd ESSCA as an exclusive organization that does not neccassarily represent tthe community as a whole. Low membership numbers sometimes give ESSCA a credibility problem. I&#8217;d go back more often if more people came and pushed for more progressive and welcoming organization. </p>
<p>I know that a lot of other organizations have similar problems, but to say that ESSCA is pretty much like all the rest is just not right. ESSCA has fallen into a comfort level that keeps it from growing and better serving our community.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.thayeravenue.com/2009/03/20/my-first-essca-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-22493</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 20:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nancy, you write that if not for ESSCA, East Silver Spring would not exist, it would have been bulldozed long ago. I&#039;m not saying you&#039;re wrong, but can you provide some specific examples of when ESSCA prevented homes or businesses in East Silver Spring from the wrecking ball? I know that civic activism in Takoma Park, MD helped stop the North Central Freeway from cutting through the historic district, but I&#039;m unfamiliar with similar work to preserve large swaths of East Silver Spring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nancy, you write that if not for ESSCA, East Silver Spring would not exist, it would have been bulldozed long ago. I&#8217;m not saying you&#8217;re wrong, but can you provide some specific examples of when ESSCA prevented homes or businesses in East Silver Spring from the wrecking ball? I know that civic activism in Takoma Park, MD helped stop the North Central Freeway from cutting through the historic district, but I&#8217;m unfamiliar with similar work to preserve large swaths of East Silver Spring.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.thayeravenue.com/2009/03/20/my-first-essca-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-22492</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 20:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nancy, you write that you see know generational rift at ESSCA but how do you know this to be true? Has ESSCA ever surveyed its members about their wants, concerns, and needs and taken a look at whether their may be differences between its older and younger members? 

ESSCA might consider surveying the members of itslistserv to find out more about what their priorities are for the neighborhood and whether they approve of the job that ESSCA leadership is doing. The survey could also ask respondents to identify some basic information about themselves (age, ethnicity, how long they have lived in the neighborhood, etc). It would be interesting to see if the demogrpahics of the ESSCA list mirrors the demographics of East Silver Spring as a whole. Websites like www.surveymonkey.com would allow one to design such a survey and administer it while keeping responses anonymous. 

Somehow I don&#039;t suspect this type of survey to be forthcoming from ESSCA leadership, so Eric, let me propose that www.thayeravenue.com develop such a survey, run it by someone who knows something about survey design and administration to minimize sources of error, and distribute it on the ESSCA listserv.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nancy, you write that you see know generational rift at ESSCA but how do you know this to be true? Has ESSCA ever surveyed its members about their wants, concerns, and needs and taken a look at whether their may be differences between its older and younger members? </p>
<p>ESSCA might consider surveying the members of itslistserv to find out more about what their priorities are for the neighborhood and whether they approve of the job that ESSCA leadership is doing. The survey could also ask respondents to identify some basic information about themselves (age, ethnicity, how long they have lived in the neighborhood, etc). It would be interesting to see if the demogrpahics of the ESSCA list mirrors the demographics of East Silver Spring as a whole. Websites like <a href="http://www.surveymonkey.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.surveymonkey.com</a> would allow one to design such a survey and administer it while keeping responses anonymous. </p>
<p>Somehow I don&#8217;t suspect this type of survey to be forthcoming from ESSCA leadership, so Eric, let me propose that <a href="http://www.thayeravenue.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.thayeravenue.com</a> develop such a survey, run it by someone who knows something about survey design and administration to minimize sources of error, and distribute it on the ESSCA listserv.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.thayeravenue.com/2009/03/20/my-first-essca-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-22271</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 04:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is neither the Penguin, nor the East Silver Spring listserv. Those rules do not apply. I will address your other comments in an upcoming post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is neither the Penguin, nor the East Silver Spring listserv. Those rules do not apply. I will address your other comments in an upcoming post.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Nickell</title>
		<link>http://www.thayeravenue.com/2009/03/20/my-first-essca-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-22014</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Nickell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, Bob Colvin and the other people in ESSCA work their tails off for this community. The meetings are only the tip of the iceberg. Your post and some of these comments make ESSCA sound like some exclusive club. It is not. Renters do come to meetings. People of different ages and ethnicities come. ESSCA has worked very hard for the small businesses in Silver Spring, many of which are owned by immigrants and other non-WASP folks. Unlike some neighborhood associations, ESSCA meets the same time and place each month, in a public building, smack in the middle of the neighborhood. If it weren&#039;t for ESSCA, East Silver Spring would not exist. It would have been bulldozed long ago. I see no &quot;generational rift.&quot; And I am uncomfortable with the way individuals are being singled out in this blog. A rule from the Penguin: No personal attacks. A rule from the East Silver Spring listserv: Do not post anything you wouldn&#039;t say to someone in the grocery store.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, Bob Colvin and the other people in ESSCA work their tails off for this community. The meetings are only the tip of the iceberg. Your post and some of these comments make ESSCA sound like some exclusive club. It is not. Renters do come to meetings. People of different ages and ethnicities come. ESSCA has worked very hard for the small businesses in Silver Spring, many of which are owned by immigrants and other non-WASP folks. Unlike some neighborhood associations, ESSCA meets the same time and place each month, in a public building, smack in the middle of the neighborhood. If it weren&#8217;t for ESSCA, East Silver Spring would not exist. It would have been bulldozed long ago. I see no &#8220;generational rift.&#8221; And I am uncomfortable with the way individuals are being singled out in this blog. A rule from the Penguin: No personal attacks. A rule from the East Silver Spring listserv: Do not post anything you wouldn&#8217;t say to someone in the grocery store.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Juarez</title>
		<link>http://www.thayeravenue.com/2009/03/20/my-first-essca-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-22007</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Juarez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric,

I think you should run for Vice President of ESSCA.  East Silver Spring needs change in leadership. Ask someone to nominate you for the 18 May election. Get the experience and run for President in 2010. 

The current president has his own motives and uses ESSCA&#039;s well-established reputation in county government circles. There is generational rift now.  Mr. Colvin and Mrs. Taylor has served us well but change is in order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>I think you should run for Vice President of ESSCA.  East Silver Spring needs change in leadership. Ask someone to nominate you for the 18 May election. Get the experience and run for President in 2010. </p>
<p>The current president has his own motives and uses ESSCA&#8217;s well-established reputation in county government circles. There is generational rift now.  Mr. Colvin and Mrs. Taylor has served us well but change is in order.</p>
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		<title>By: Easley Does It</title>
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		<dc:creator>Easley Does It</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate Debbie Cook giving the history of Bullis Park. That park is one of my favorite things about living in this neighborhood.  Guess I have ESSCA to thank for it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate Debbie Cook giving the history of Bullis Park. That park is one of my favorite things about living in this neighborhood.  Guess I have ESSCA to thank for it!</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.thayeravenue.com/2009/03/20/my-first-essca-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-20145</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 03:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude. Don&#039;t feel bad - last week was my first ESSCA meeting ever, and I&#039;ve lived here for a few years, now. And I&#039;m not trying to call people out - just merely highlighting the realities of the situation: Older retired people have time to dedicate to this, and younger families (with the *proper* focus on their families) don&#039;t have a much. Plain and simple.

But if we can find a pool of, say, 12 regular attendees from our demographic and 3 or 4 or 5 of them could attend the monthly meeting (rotating people), that could be amazing for our say in ESSCA. I know it&#039;s still a tall order and perhaps a bit idealistic, but that&#039;s the thought.

No easy answers tonight, as I just watched a television show that blew my mind and have to spend some time twittering about it. Which also reminds me of the potential modernization of ESSCA....  *sweet dreams*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude. Don&#8217;t feel bad &#8211; last week was my first ESSCA meeting ever, and I&#8217;ve lived here for a few years, now. And I&#8217;m not trying to call people out &#8211; just merely highlighting the realities of the situation: Older retired people have time to dedicate to this, and younger families (with the *proper* focus on their families) don&#8217;t have a much. Plain and simple.</p>
<p>But if we can find a pool of, say, 12 regular attendees from our demographic and 3 or 4 or 5 of them could attend the monthly meeting (rotating people), that could be amazing for our say in ESSCA. I know it&#8217;s still a tall order and perhaps a bit idealistic, but that&#8217;s the thought.</p>
<p>No easy answers tonight, as I just watched a television show that blew my mind and have to spend some time twittering about it. Which also reminds me of the potential modernization of ESSCA&#8230;.  *sweet dreams*</p>
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